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Ranks eligible to sign up to this event:
Progress
Normal
Raid 1: Icecrown Citadel
Targets: Lower spire and frostwing halls
Raid 2: Icecrown Citadel
Targets: Lower Spire plus FesterGut and RotFace
Invites will start no later than 20:15
If you are ACTIVE then please make sure you are at the instance by this time.
If you are ROTATED then please make sure you are logged on your MAIN by this time.
Any fines should be paid promptly and straight to the guild bank.
Thank you
Bring flasks/pots, food, and plenty of consumables (bandages, health pots, mana pots etc etc)
Vigilantes Strategy guides can be found here
Additional info at:
http://www.wowwiki.com
http://www.bosskillers.com
Details on which mods you should have installed can be found here
Comments
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 12:43
gief token and dreamwalker. 2nd time rotated on thursday now.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 11:45
its really funny when we got 3-4 hunters, 3-4 locks and 2-3 shadow priests in the raid, but we almost never got 2 mages, while the 2 mages buffs eachother with focus magic, the hunters, locks and priests dont do any crap buff to eachother, maybe if one lock is demonology and gives that + sp buff, but that is for the raid... think about it, been like this for few weeks now...
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 13:09
I don't understand the argument.
Wouldn't it be better for the raid if the mages gave focus magic to the highest dps caster in the raid and not each other?
I can understand buffing each other when fire was the best spec for hot streak but do you guys still have that as arcane?
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 13:33
its very simple to understand, dont know what of it u dont understand, what im trying to say is that we should have 2 mages in the raid like we got 3 locks and 3 hunters for an example.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 14:47
I can understand the advantages of having more than 1 mage.
What i meant was 2 mages shouldn't automatically cross buff each other. They should be giving it to the person that will most benefit from the buff, for the benefit of the raid as a whole.
On most of our raids, the 2 mages are not right up at the top of the dps, so crossing buffing isn't optimal. Another example is dreamwalker, where the buff would better placed on a healer.
Ok it means the mages do slightly less personal dps, but the raid as a whole should do more and surely that is what matters?
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 15:00
to both joules and dux, both of you where active last thursday (joules cause you did not show up for the raid invites
meaning it does not count as you where rotated)
http://www.vigilantes-guild.com/event/25-man-icc-9.1-%2526amp%3B-10-man-...
none of you have more rotation then anyone else, there have not been any unfair rotation here.
your standing on 0 and 1 in rotation, just as everyone else.
Duxlol, you have been active for 7 raids in a row now till tonight, you don't think it was your time for a rotation?
Joules, with your inactive and sometimes not on-line on invites it makes it harder for you to get fair rotations, as inactive or now showing comes with a small punishment as you do know. Not showing up on a raid when rotated and you get marked active (without attendance) meaning that rotation you should have got but did not get, even though you did not get to raid. will still come and it might feel as you got more rotations then others.
In terms of bringing more mages and less hunters/locks that will sadly not work. It would result in hunters/locks getting more rotations then mages since we have more hunters/locks then mages, it's just simple math. We go by rotation count/fairness and raid synergy (at the least one of each class if possible) since we have more active hunters and locks, there will be more hunters and locks active in the raids. However all classes get's the same amount of rotation. Actually, you mages since you are few have a higher chance of getting less rotation since we need one of you in the raids, if one of you two don't show up. we will 'have' to pick the other mage for the raid synergy.
Besides, we do not really loose any dps or raid synergy for that matter having a few extra or a few less in a specific class. As long as we have at the very least one of each class. And ofc providing most if not all raid buffs.
as a side note, don't really get why getting rotated on Thursdays are still such a sensitive thing?
Sunday should be more attractive with the higher 'level' bosses to kill? maybe i'm just daft.
A man is but the product of his thoughts.
What he thinks, he becomes.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 15:06
We all know gnumz is one of the best mage on the server and must keep up the good work and practice but we are first hand a team and that means that we have a leader and he/she can make mistakes.
Pls make you observation to the raid leader as a simple observation so we can avoid other people geting upset or leave.
We miss a lot of UBER players just becouse of thise stupid arguments.
I can give my place in raid to anyone that realy needs it.
Come on guys make me proud to be a Vigi and dont argue.
Tx
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 15:19
Good input Ancuntza
and your right!
The problem with discussions about rotations is that they can so easily become heated.
-The raiders don't want to be rotated so he gets irritated on that.
-The officers don't like it when people think your doing a bad job as an officer so he get irritated on that.
There are no way we can get out of it other then to just put it aside so none go from irritated to mad. And as Ancuntza said, we don't want that
ps. All 'complaints' or remarks regarding rotation is always investigated to ensure that there have not been anyone wrongly treated in rotation terms.
A man is but the product of his thoughts.
What he thinks, he becomes.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 16:06
Sent, if there is 1 mage in the raid Fm will go to the person who benefits most out of it, when its more than 2 we benefit alot from it, say if i buff maran with it, he gets 3% crit from FM. i get 3%, when he crits i get 3% more and when i crit he gets 3%, so thats 6% to eachother, dno where u got that info about not giving it to eachother but its wrong. True mages dont do best dps anymore but its buffs like these who gets up to the top, and from what i see im pretty faar up in the dps meaters, maybe not on trash but most bosses mages are atleast top 5, if not top 3.
And for Síra, this isnt bout me complaining about why im rotated, i just wanted to say that its better to have 2 mages in raid.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 16:32
Ok then, my mistake and i'm sorry for jumping to conclusions Dux.
Just used to the rotation jibble i guess
A man is but the product of his thoughts.
What he thinks, he becomes.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 17:06
Ye 100% agree on that, but i checkd the thursdaymorning signs there i whas rotated, so i took abit more time with my girlfriend that night and came later online, someone must have put me on active on the afternoon or something since i didnt checkd the web anymore.
anyway rotation is rotation, done now so i can keep QQ wont change anything, not your fault guys just wanna get my fcking last token and badges to fill up that last missing pieces and i love sindra and wanted to be there for maybe first kill anyway, not your fault.
Nothing bad mentiond
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 17:14
you where set active when you where not online.
When ever someone that is active or rotated aren't online at invite times, they get marked with active and then without credit. This is done so you don't get a rotation count in the statistics nor attendance.
and you can get your token sunday, since we kill professor and queen then! ;D
A man is but the product of his thoughts.
What he thinks, he becomes.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 19:12
Gnumz, still not sure what you're talking about. The same thing can be said about giving FM to say a lock that's high on the meters. He crits, and that gives you 3% extra crit whenever he does. The other mage could give it to the second highest spellcaster, and he too would get 3% crit when that spellcaster crits.
It doesn't give the raid "more crit" because you give it to eachother, that's just about being greedy. However as Sent said, it benefits the raid alot more to give it to the class highest on damage, therefore having a second mage is far from a must.
I couldn't care less who you used your FM buff on. I would be happy if you used it on the one that benefitted the raid mostly though. We simply used this as a counterarguement to show that a second mage is in fact not needed, for raid synergy or anything. As Síra said we try to do the rotations as fair as possible.'
This is like me asking (for example) for Síra to be active as often as possible when I am in the raid only so that he can give me, and only me Hysteria. And in return I would give hysteria to him all the time aswell if I were blood. Instead of giving the hysteria to hunters that are higher on the meters and are almost physical dps only. Lame example but nonetheless, pretty much the same thing.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 19:38
christ ppl get me wrong. i must really suck at english, i NEVER said it gave the raid " Crit ", what i said was that we should have 2 mages in the raid, and ppl get me extremly wrong thinking im complaining that im rotated and that im saying that Fm buffs the raid...
Can we just leave it? never mind what i said, should have kept my mouth shut and never said anything.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 19:42
let's just hug and make out, we are not getting anywhere with this other then getting mad at each other witch won't solve anything. :/
So let's stop going on each other or jumping into conclusions(like i did myself) it will only make things worse.
If you want we can have a talk together regarding this DuX, you and me so we all get on the same page on the matter?
A man is but the product of his thoughts.
What he thinks, he becomes.
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 20:03
Agreed,
tbh - the best mages on the server ALL are in Vigilantes !
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 20:04
and thursday raids allways get the most comments
@ Thu, 25/02/2010 - 20:13
Trying to log ón but having problems, not getting a log on box :/
Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for!