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New motherboard, 4gb RAM and windows Vista 32
Hi all,
I am considering to change my motherboard which currently supports 2GB ram only to switch to ASUS P5KPL-AM which supports 4GB ram, but have been reading a bit about Vista 32bit and RAM limitations i.e. that Vista 32 will not recognize more than 3 - 3.5 GB.
Any comments, advise, suggestions would really be appreciated
@ Tue, 24/02/2009 - 10:57
what you read is true.
the amount of memory available to your applications will be less than 4GB, the more video ram you have, the less you get for your applications basically.
get 64bit operating system! also make sure your processor is 64bit capable.
King's Honour!
@ Tue, 24/02/2009 - 20:08
that is true if u want to make the most of your 4 GB or more you will need to run 64bit Vista, curently i run it with no problems with 8GB
Live Long Die well
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 00:44
i only have good experiences with my 64 bit vista as well, even though I only use 3 GB (my MB didn't like the 4th DIMM)
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 07:04
you notice that ASUS P5KPL-AM is a uATX board right?
I'd say get vista 64 bit if you plan on going to vista, the price difference (atleast when I bought mine) is none.
I'd go for a ASUS P5E Deluxe instead, or maybe a ASUS Rampage Extreme hmmmm
"Mr. T took Mother Nature from behind. We refer to the event as the Big Bang."
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 07:43
For Tiend -
If u had to choose which would you go for from these - I have an Intel Dual Core 2.8GHZ which I do not intend to Change for the moment but want a motherboard ready for a Quad Core - (p.s - I have a Budget)
http://www.scanmalta.com/item.php?WebCategory=mobo&ProductCode=MB-L14333
http://www.scanmalta.com/item.php?WebCategory=mobo&ProductCode=MB-L25102
http://www.scanmalta.com/item.php?WebCategory=mobo&ProductCode=MB-L25556
http://www.scanmalta.com/item.php?WebCategory=mobo&ProductCode=MB-L25728
And Currently using an Asus P5PE-VM motherboard.
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 09:25
It depends which version of vista you buy.
32 bit can only address 4Gb total ram which includes video card, so if you have a monster video card you will have less available memory than a more lightweight video card.
64 bit can address more than 4GB, but the version of vista limits the amount of ram you can use.
When buying visat many buy an OEM version which can only install to one PC, ie motherboard. You may get away with another motherboard by claming your original broke.
I believe if you buy the true retail version (more expensive) you can install 32 or 64 bit and do not have the OEM limitation but you may want to check.
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Fattest meatshield in WOW
"It's usually really easy to heal ako as he can take more hammer than a bag of nails"
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 09:36
iI already have a Vista 32 Version given to me by the Maltese Government at the miserable price of € 30 which has already been installed on my current PC and an Asus Aspire one, so that defo rules out the option of me going to buy another operating system other than Windows 7 when it is available.
I ll check if I can install the 64bit version, never bothered to, since I only have 2GB RAM.
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 12:36
If you are not adverse to a bit of hacking, installing Mac OSX on generic PC hardware is a possibility (that is what I am using). Difficulty and results depend a bit on how close the hardware is to Apple hardware, e.g. AMD CPUs complicate things.
When it works, it works beautifully.
::42::
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 12:44
when i was running wow, it was fine with a 32 bit system and 4gb of RAM, over that amount of physical memory is only really needed for intense 3D applications such as rendering images and things, no doubt though games'll get a hell of alot more demanding in the next few months/years, so i'd say upgrade to 64bit and more RAM if you have the money but atm you'll be fine with just 4gb.
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 13:56
Agree with Trigg.
In fact 3GB seems overkill, as WOW isnt using more than about 1.5Gb anyway
Problem with 2GB is that windows likes to keep some memory "free" so will start swapping stuff to hard disk to keep free memory.
One thing I swear by is fast disk drives actually.
Been to LAN events and seen people with fast drives but slower processors/ram etc being faster into games and loading levels etc. Disk drives are slow compared to everything else so are often bottle necks in systems.
Having dropped from a Raptor to a very fast 1TB drive (which is the fastest general drive you can get due to platter density), I do notice it seems to feel like on heavy loads eg loading Dalaran / Naxx it takes a little longer.
I am so convinced the raptor was faster real world I am going to rebuild an OS on it and just test it out. I was being lazy and using a big drive for OS and everything else, but I am sure I can tell the difference even though alledgedly the 1TB drive is very close on benchmarks.
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Fattest meatshield in WOW
"It's usually really easy to heal ako as he can take more hammer than a bag of nails"
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 17:44
A word of advice to ANYONE that are upgrading theire Motherboards, make sure that it supports PCI-E (2.0) this is a litle faster and the new version of PCI-E (grapic cards) if you get a 2.0 card it will still work in the old PCI-E 1.0, but it will be "downgraded".
3GB is not overkill, if you plan on using the pc for more than wow and internet browsing I reccomend going full 4gb right away, going for the DDR2 - PC8500 series is just fine as it's more than fast enough at stock to keep up with just about anything.
what is your budget gilly? I'd say you should wait a litle longer till Windows 7 comes out since it's gonne be more ram friendly than vista is
"Mr. T took Mother Nature from behind. We refer to the event as the Big Bang."
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 17:54
on Akolens note, i'd agree getting a faster drive if your after super fast loading, the best hard drives you can get nowadays are called "solid State" drives, these dont have disks and are basicly massive versions of pendrives/flash drives. They can run at up to 10x the speed of regular disk hard drives, but cost over double the amount of monies
atm i'm saving for a super system
it'll take me a while but i'll be happy once i have it lol intel i7 quad core (basically 8 cores thanks to hyperthreading), 6gb of RAM, 1tb storage drive, and 160gb solid state drive. Might go the full hog and throw in a water cooling system too.
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 18:06
my system:
Asus Maximus Formula
intel quadcore Q6600 @ 2.6ghz
8gb Mushkin DDR2 CL5 PC8500
Asus Geforce 260GTX
2x 500gb WD hdd's 7200rpm
1x 1TB WD HDD 7200rpm
fully Water Cooled with a tripple radiator and Aquasuite controll for the pump
"Mr. T took Mother Nature from behind. We refer to the event as the Big Bang."
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 19:27
I am about to order this little puppy
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-000-OB
that overclock on that processor means its faster than the fastest currently available processor on the market which alone costs over £800
whats actually holding me back is deciding on the peripherals, I am tempted to buy another of the 1TB disks and raid it for double read performance
I am slightly twitchy about the solid state drives at the moment, they are improving dramatically each generation and as new tech they do make big advances quite quickly. they are veeery expensive.
these are the drives tiend was talking about
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=14&subid...
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Fattest meatshield in WOW
"It's usually really easy to heal ako as he can take more hammer than a bag of nails"
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 19:41
Trigg you mean akolen?
"Mr. T took Mother Nature from behind. We refer to the event as the Big Bang."
@ Wed, 25/02/2009 - 23:44
OEM editions are not limited to one mobo...
They are limited to one hard drive.
A friend of mine has his own computer shop and he informed about this.
The difference between OEM and retail versions of OS's is that you cannot buy an OEM edition without a medium to install it on.
You can however make an entirely different setup including mobo, ram, cpu etc. as long as your original HDD is remains the one where your OS is installed on.
Also, you might want to wait with buying a 64-bit Vista, end of the year Windows 7 is going to be released and it's outclassing Vista on every aspect
Live your life so that you when the time comes can look back at it without regret
@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 00:20
I dunno lol, what did i say?
tbh i was just thinking out loud, happens often, i've gota stop doing it 
@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 03:34
Aye I meant trigg
Definately disagree on the OEm and hard drive, I have changed hard drives and reinstalled OS more than once and I have an OEM version.
Loads of places sell the OEm version, some insist you buy a piece of hardware as well, this can be a 99c mouse, as long as you buy hardware they dont care.
Main real world diff you get with OEm is that you get limited support from microsoft, but who cares, how often has anyone spoken to MS about anything...
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Fattest meatshield in WOW
"It's usually really easy to heal ako as he can take more hammer than a bag of nails"
@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 06:11
Would a 32 bit version serial number work for a 64 bit version? Just curious...
King's Honour!
@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 06:47
I don't think so, baba...windows serials are pretty version specific, I think.
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@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 10:50
King's Honour!
Simple: No.
Shynaski: "I'm very disapointed with paladins as well, mainly because of what DKs can do."
@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 11:05
I ran WoW on a laptop with 32 bit vista with 2g ram and a crap video card with no dedicated memory at all,
works fine with all options to full (except shadows - but i hate shadows anyway),
sure i can't run anything past WoW
but if WoW is your only concern than you shouldn't worry at all,
Tinùviél "Mmmmm shadowtrap... whats that ?"
@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 12:26
So that's why you sucked?
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.”
@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 13:50
works fine with all options to full (except shadows - but i hate shadows anyway),
sure i can't run anything past WoW
but if WoW is your only concern than you shouldn't worry at all,
WOLK seems to have tipped WOW over the edge of 2GB ram, I think 3GB is the bare minimum now.
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Fattest meatshield in WOW
"It's usually really easy to heal ako as he can take more hammer than a bag of nails"
@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 15:26
Dalaran is the only issue I am having... and it does not occur in peak times. During the day Dalaran is fine, but at night there's lag and loading takes a lot longer.
Shynaski: "I'm very disapointed with paladins as well, mainly because of what DKs can do."
@ Thu, 26/02/2009 - 16:32
They are limited to one hard drive. [quote/]
beeeeep! wrong they aren't
"Mr. T took Mother Nature from behind. We refer to the event as the Big Bang."
@ Sun, 15/03/2009 - 20:22
Shadows are quite scary to a frenchy. Ever wonder where the expression "he's such a pussy, he's scared of his own shadow" came from? Yeah... from Shy. Bless him.
I am 53% addicted to World of Warcraft.